I want you to go on to picture the enlightenment or ignorance of our human condition somewhat as follows. Imagine an underground chamber like a cave, with a long entrance open to the daylight and as wide as the cave. In this chamber are men who have been prisoners there since they were children, their legs and necks being so fastened that they can only look straight ahead of them and cannot turn their heads. Some way off, behind and higher up, a fire is burning, and between the fire and the prisoners and above them runs a road, in front of which a curtain-wall has been built, like the screen at puppet shows between the operators and their audience, above which they show their puppets. (Plato, The Republic)
And even as we, who are now in Space, look down on Flatland and see the insides of all things, so of a certainty there is yet above us some higher, purer region, whither thou dost surely purpose to lead me — O Thou Whom I shall always call, everywhere and in all Dimensions, my Priest, Philosopher, and Friend — some yet more spacious Space, some more dimensionable Dimensionality, from the vantage-ground of which we shall look down together upon the revealed insides of Solid things, and where thine own intestines, and those of thy kindred Spheres, will lie exposed to the view of the poor wandering exile from Flatland, to whom so much has already been vouchsafed. (Abbott, Flatland)
Don't run the movie yet! Just look at the first frame when it loads. What do you see? Eight dots inside a box? I hope so. Is there anything unusual about the arrangement of the dots? Some pattern, perhaps? Maybe yes, maybe no.
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Hey, I'm seeing spots in front of my eyes...is that normal ??
Just kidding, great post, theologians love suggesting other dimensions, but when it comes to the details...well that's a whole other story.
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Ben Avuyah, at Sep 6, 2006, 6:43:00 PM
Thanks BA!
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Big-S Skeptic, at Sep 6, 2006, 10:14:00 PM
>but it cannot provide any genuine theological comfort, because in the absence of constraints we have no idea how the world of our experience corresponds to that "greater world," the real reality, the more spacious Space, the more dimensionable Dimensionality. We are still lost.
The way I look at it, once we realize that the only aspect of reality that is accessible to us is what our minds are capable of perceiving (nature), then we no longer feel the need or desire to imagine any higher dimensions.
The result of this realization is that we are no longer lost because we have found the only reality that has any meaning to us.
We can solely concentrate on this world without waisting time on trying to gain access to any higher dimensions. This provides great comfort to me.
True religion is not about gating access to any higher dimensions, rather it is about having greater insight and a deeper understanding of the dimension we live in
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B. Spinoza, at Sep 9, 2006, 1:35:00 PM
great post.
David g.
cant log in for some reason.
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Anonymous, at Sep 9, 2006, 10:03:00 PM
I wanted to add last night that I agree with the unknowability factor. Rambam sees it as the sine qua non of existence. In the rav's writings we find the same idea over and over again. The search and during it the appreciation of the awesomeness of that existence, the implications on the from where we came, who brought this existence into being and whereto we are headed is the greatest religious experience for a human . One gets there rationally but ultimately it is an ecstatic and emotional experience. "Mibesari echezeh elohai". It is that despair that one feels at the limits of our existence, the realization of its futility that impels us to bond with the eternal in whatever way we can.david g.
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Anonymous, at Sep 10, 2006, 10:42:00 AM
I wanted to add last night that I agree with the unknowability factor. It is the sine qua non of existence as Rambam sees it and as does the Rav in all his writings. However in the search for answers one is confronted with the awesomeness of our existence. The implications of that realization on where we came from, who brought this into being and whereto we are headed brings us to the realization of the futility of our existence. the despair that fills us in those moments impel us to grab on to the eternal in whatever way we can. That is the ultimate religious experience. It is led by rationality but ultimately it becomes an ecstatic and emotional experience. david g.
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Anonymous, at Sep 10, 2006, 10:49:00 AM
Sorry but I had trouble posting. It is the same comment rewritten after I thought that it was gobbled up. Your choice which version is better.:-) David g.
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Anonymous, at Sep 10, 2006, 10:51:00 AM
Nice thought, David. Thanks.
Spinoza, I see your point, but once we conceive of the idea that there could be something beyond human knowledge (which, if we look at knowledge in computational terms, is not nearly so hard to believe), it will always bother us, because we are now faced with the the skeptical possibilities on which, as Nagle puts it, "the world is completely different from how it appears to us, and there is no way to detect this." How can this not be troublesome to people who want to know the truth?
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Big-S Skeptic, at Sep 10, 2006, 11:04:00 AM
>How can this not be troublesome to people who want to know the truth?
because even truth seekers must realize that there are limits to our mind's power of comprehension. It's futile to try to understand what can't be understood. You see the absurdity, right? What gain is there in this kind of search? This too is hevel. Maybe this is what chazal meant when they said:
Chagigah Perek Bet, Mishna 1.
"Every one who tries to know the following four things, it were better for him if he had never come into the world, viz.: What is above and what is beneath, what was before creation, and what will be after all will be destroyed."
The only question is do you think these other dimensions can be understood or not? If not, then it doesn't pay to dwell on it
y
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B. Spinoza, at Sep 10, 2006, 4:25:00 PM
I agree, and yet... it bothers me. I want to know what the world is really like! Not just what the world is like "as it appears to me." I would be prepared to concede your point, except for the fact that we don't have a good characterization of "unknowability" as it relates to biological minds, and especially to our kinds of minds. I will mention one such characterization in my epochal post on the Unknowability of God, but there are many possible characterizations, and we don't know (and really can't know, in a sense) which one is right. But from a practical standpoint, I concede your point. Science cannot worry about what is knowable or unknowable. But us philosophers I think still need to worry about this.
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Big-S Skeptic, at Sep 11, 2006, 11:19:00 AM
"However, the appeal of this idea should be tempered by the fact that structures projected from higher dimensions may appear considerably more complex or even random in lower dimensions."
On a related note, there's actually an analogous phenomenon in cellular automata type computations. Stephen Wolfram's book 'A New Kind of Science' goes through a very thorough exposition of this behavior. The basic premise is that humans tend to attribute complex structure to complex processes, but he illustrates how simple iterative programs can be parameterized to create anything from randomness to highly complex patterns. The rest of the book applies this to specific problems in biology, physics, architecture, etc... The basic concepts are not revolutionary, but the fact that with a computer you can perform millions of iterations allows Wolfram to illustrate things very convincingly.
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e-kvetcher, at Sep 12, 2006, 11:12:00 PM
Yeah, I tried to read that book a couple years ago. I also didn't see too much novel there, since I was already familiar with CAs. (Although, to be fair, I think Wolfram did make some contributions to CA research in his "younger" years.) I gave up on the book because of the ridiculous length.
There is a slight difference between the algorithmic view of complexity, and what I am saying here. On the algorithmic view, a small (i.e., simple) generative program can produce a nearly random set of observations. My point, rather, is that even a simple set of observations can yield a complex set of observations, when the viewpoint is changed. In a sense, "image is everything." (In honor of Andre.)
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Big-S Skeptic, at Sep 13, 2006, 12:12:00 AM
>I will mention one such characterization in my epochal post on the Unknowability of God
I can't wait. This post must be the mother of all posts
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B. Spinoza, at Oct 4, 2006, 11:23:00 PM
Yes, it's quite a mother. Going on 40 pages. It's a short post that turned into a long project. What can I do? I must follow my muse!
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Big-S Skeptic, at Oct 4, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
post small installments. Maybe a sneak preview
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B. Spinoza, at Oct 5, 2006, 10:42:00 PM
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